Titanium vs Fuji SIC new concept guides?
Posted 01 April 2010 - 05:00 PM
Posted 01 April 2010 - 05:07 PM
Posted 01 April 2010 - 05:17 PM
Thanks for helping me understand this stuff
Posted 01 April 2010 - 06:03 PM
Posted 01 April 2010 - 07:45 PM
depends on the guide size you are using in the guidetrain , but you are looking at 1 Oz not in the order of 3.
What you are feeling on the rod tho is the polar "weight" of the rod plus guides , where a little weight difference out near the tip makes a huge difference in what you feel as the "weight " of the rod.......... as what you are feeling is Weight times Distance from your hand.
Posted 01 April 2010 - 08:00 PM
No reel on it . The blank is a synit.
What reel do you have it paired up with? What blank?
Posted 01 April 2010 - 09:17 PM
Posted 01 April 2010 - 09:25 PM
OTI was going to use the Ti frame for our production rod but chose the KWSG instead.
Posted 01 April 2010 - 10:37 PM
For a spin rod set up there aren't really any titanium guides in my view that are suitable for 300g+ blanks, so there would only be the Fuji "MN" series in stainless frames. You could use the TLCSG for a spin set up if you are comfortable with that, as they are infact designed for use with spin reels for casting.
For me the real benefit of Titanium is that they are corrosion free, as I have had issues with corrosion Fuji stainless framed guides, particularly with the Fuji MNSG (gunsmoke) Sic's, that has caused catastrophic failure at the bend in the foot of the guide due to the rusted region weakening the area at that particular point on the bend between the foot and the leg work hardening untill it breaks.
Although the dead weight difference between stainless and Titanium may be small, the overall difference created by the "polar" effect as Dennis B writes is noticeable in the hand. As far as I am aware titanium is stronger that stainless, but Titanium may be more prone to the effects of work hardening, but I am sure less so than a rusted stainless guide foot.
Posted 02 April 2010 - 03:44 AM
Thanks for the extreme clarity.
I agree with all, except that I believe that the tsvsg guide IS an acceptable guide for spinning rods over 300G.Titanium ,being fairly new has not 100% proven(at least in my mind) that it can hold up to many battles with huge fish,But I have every confidence in the quality of fuji guides.I have rods that have been commercial fished,then removed the guides and placed them on another rod after 20 years. And I'm not very good with maintenance. If I could afford them, I'd use these guides with confidence.
Posted 02 April 2010 - 05:47 AM
Posted 02 April 2010 - 07:10 AM
Posted 02 April 2010 - 07:11 AM
And thank you DenisB for not giving us a dissertation on polar mass of inertia. LOL
Now a real question, is there any reason these guides can't be made with replaceable inserts. I don't mean snap-in but it would be nice to be able to epoxy in an insert instead of having to have the guide replaced.
Posted 02 April 2010 - 08:03 AM
Posted 02 April 2010 - 09:18 AM
You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on.
A man's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another drink.
Posted 02 April 2010 - 09:29 AM
We have been re-testing many times this KWSG guide around many place in the world and result is not suitable for our (Patriot Design)
GT fishing rods specs,due to guide rim & ring weakness for our GT rod spec(power level).
Sametime,we are testing this KWSG guide for our light tackle,it can be use or not..we will inform the result soon we finish testing.
Posted 02 April 2010 - 09:35 AM
I have a rod that came with Fuji TLNSG guides. This is a medium duty 200-250g ~50lb class rods that has been Lightly Used and well taken care of. These are low, conventional guides and should be fine... Well... Two of them chipped on the rod, 1 x 12mm and 1 x 10mm. i still have no idea how or when it possibly could have happened.
So I wanted to rebuild the rod with Titanium, but didn't want to spend $$ on Fuji. So I got Amtac NIC Titans instead. After 2 or 3 trips, one of the Amtac's popped out and another split in two... again with no idea when or how.
That's 4 guides on 1 rod in a very short period of time... And I take very good care of my gear... no rods hitting the deck!
Maybe some of the newer locked ring styles are better. But I personally wouldn't do it. The extra cost of the guides plus the potential cost of rebuilding if they fail is just too high. Plus, the weight savings for conventional is tiny, and I think all styles are too flexible for heavy spinning apps.
Just my $.02.
(BTW, I've never had a stainless Fuji Sic Fail on any class rod.)
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