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Quick Review 2013 Shimano Stella SWB 14000


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#1 fishmad1

fishmad1

Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:34 AM

Hi Guys,



The new Stella is out for distribution and starting to make its way into stores. I thought it would be worthwhile to do a quick breakdown and a basic comparison with the outgoing model. The review is based on the new 14k which is similar in body size to the outgoing 8/10k 2008 model; I will also try and answer some questions regarding compatibility with accessories.

From a functional point of view it seems similar to a 10k reel with one of the aftermarket spools.

This will be quite a long post so just skip forward to the relevant parts that interest you. I’ll make some comments where I can (just my personal observations and opinions). I will post a full service tutorial separately.


The general feel of the reel is the same as the previous model, handle is smooth to turn, no unusual quirks or noises and very smooth. I can see that at least some external parts are shared between the outgoing and new models, parts of the line roller assembly and handle knob etc.

In regard to comparing the old with the new, we’ll take some measurements as take a detailed look at some parts as we go.

A few pics of the new SWB 14000.


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The reel feels solid in the hand, you will notice that the bail wire on the new model is thicker now..approx 3mm vs the old model which was approx 2.3mm. Overall design is similar, a little more metal in key places is likely to make it more rigid..rotor arms and base of rotor.

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The new reel is a little wider due to the addition of a oscillation gear to improve line lay..closer wraps. You can see that it is also wider where the stem meets the reel body.

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Remove the handle.

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As you can see they have listened to the masses and finally produced a better handle. Nice design that eliminates the play that the old handle had via the hinge.

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This is achieved by a threaded sleeve, the sleeve has a small amount of play once it’s on the shaft. The play is then removed as the handle is tightened against the body of the reel.

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The knob is the same old egg design as the previous model, at least on the 14000. Same shaft dimensions so all the current aftermarket knobs will fit.

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Undo the drag knob and remove the spool from the body.

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The spool has taken a redesign, this specific spool has a different drag layout compared to the 08 10K and is actually similar to the 08 18k spool. One of the questions I have heard being asked is the compatibility of the 08 spool and the many aftermarket spools?

This is really determined by the design of the new reel and some basic dimensions of relevant components. The spool shaft on the new reel is basically identical to the old reel which is great. This suggests the internals of the spool, drag washers etc are LIKELY to also be similar in design and function.

A key question relates to the dimensions of the spool; remember the rotor is set at a specific height, the spool is at a fixed height on the shaft (determined by the number of spacers used). The movement (length of stroke) is determined by the design of the worm gear and length of shaft.

The key points relating to the spool are, the width of the opening – where the line lays, the overall width of the spool – does it fit within the rotor arms? and the overall height – is there adequate space on the shaft once the spool is on?

If it all adds up there should be no issue.

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From the top..you can see the new spool is of a different design resembling a bowl shape as opposed the step design of the 08.

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Underneath there are also differences, the new spool uses a smaller shaft washer than the 08, similar in size to the 08 18/20k. You can see that the clicker is now external is certainly louder than the old model.

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Lets hit the scale..new

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10k 08 for comparison

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New drag knob..sealing is now at the top of the knob as opposed to the middle section.

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08 10k knob.

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The new 14k body.

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08 10k body.

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Ok, let’s have a look at the rotor, as mentioned a little thicker through the arm.

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08 10k rotor.

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Looking into the rotor you will see that the nut retainer has changed and is now fixed in place by 3 screws.

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Remove the spacers and shaft/spool washer.

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Removing the retainer.

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This exposes a larger rotor nut, 22mm and the shaft/bearing seal washer.

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Remove the nut, reverse thread.

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This exposes a collar and at the base one of the new O-ring seals.

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Separate the rotor from the body.

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Take a look at the rotor and you will see another of the new sealing washers..a better design than before.

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Remove the clutch cover, again another sealing washer at the base.

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Remove the top seal and you will see a few changes, new oil soaked to seal..also the small O-ring. The rest is basically the same.

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Cover back on, better shot of the sealing washer.

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To remove the rear shield you need to first pull the seal.

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Once that is out a small Phillips is required to back out the screw.

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Flip the reel over and remove the bottom shield screw and remove the shield/gasket.

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Back to the body, 4 torx screws, 1 smaller than the others. You can just see another of the new seals on the main bearing, where the handle attaches.

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Remove the screws and the plastic retainer.

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Remove the cover and take a look.

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Looking at the side plate you can see the new cover seal and that the bearing is retained by 3 screws.

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You can see the new main gear, larger and faster than the 08 10k. Also the new idler gear layout due the addition of the new gear..similar in principle to the old FA.

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Remove the main gear and you can see the changed idler, bearing retained also and the screw cover at the top for the shield. The AR pawl is the same as the previous model.

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Couple of shots of the main gear, longer overall to accommodate the oscillating gear..thicker also however the teeth are basically the same size.

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Ok, I have reassembled the reel so we can take another look at these spools and the compatibility of parts.

3 spools, the original, the 08 10k and a JM 16k – Fortunately the basic dims of these items are the same.

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Different designs but essentially the same dimensions.

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As mentioned previously, the spool shaft has the same dimensions as the old reel..let’s try the 08 10k spool.

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Works fine, the JM spool also works without issue.

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The JM handle also fits perfectly.

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What about the other way around? I’ll call this the SW A-B or 2013 SWAB for short. To do this I had to fit the smaller shaft/spool washer from the 14k, remember this is smaller than the 10k washer..also works fine.

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And a final shot of the 2 reels.

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To summarise, a very nice reel with some great new features. The sealing should be a lot better than the old model although water inside the old Stella was rare and generally came in via the spool shaft. The rotor and base of the reel stem have a little more meat so should be more rigid but again based on the 10k body this wasn’t really a notable problem with the old reel. I have seen more bent shafts and rotor arms on the 18 and 20k’s..the 10k is squat reel and in my opinion more rigid than the 20k.

I didn’t show it but the drag layout is now reminiscent of the 20k, 2 large washers at the base and a single at the top.

The other new features like X-Shield and X-Tough drag etc all sound good but will have to wait and see how the reel performs overtime. Looking at the schematic there are a number of parts shared between the old and new model which makes things simple. Is it worth paying the extra dollars? I like the new reel, colour scheme is growing on me, actually uses JDM colours, purple/black/grey sort of colour, however I won’t be rushing to replace what I have... :)

#2 tmd

tmd

Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:02 AM

Sick reel, i love it. Did you fish it? how is the drag against fish? how does it cast? does it feel better than old one fighting big fish?

#3 madday

madday

Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:03 AM

thank you...!!!
can't wait for full breakdown, the drive gear is massive for that reel size....

btw,
pierce.... where are you? what do you have in your brawn reel....? LOL :D

#4 fishmad1

fishmad1

Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:05 AM

Sick reel, i love it. Did you fish it? how is the drag against fish? how does it cast? does it feel better than old one fighting big fish?


Hey Man, No I havent..will spool it up with a good PE7/8 and see how it goes in a couple of weeks hopefully..

#5 toppuntawong

toppuntawong

Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:20 AM

Awesome review... I can see why the new Stella isnt as smooth as the old Stella... With that amount of seal in the reel... You get something and you lose some.. :)

#6 johndtuttle

johndtuttle

Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:55 AM

Thanks for that Clem. Sorry I missed this post and posted a link :(.

best

#7 LeoNYC

LeoNYC
  • LocationStaten Island N.Y.

Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:43 PM

Thanks for the review ! Nice pics too

#8 John_Madison CT

John_Madison CT

Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:00 PM

The profit margin on these reels must be insane.

#9 tuan12321

tuan12321

Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:10 PM

Glad the JM after market parts fit. Looks like we might not need to worry about bearings etc for the 08 sw in 7-8 years.

#10 Inspiro

Inspiro

Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:46 PM

Thanks a lot for sharing

#11 Milkman

Milkman

Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:11 AM

Would be interested to know if Shimano have kept with the Cold Forged Duralium Main gear and the stainless Pinion as in the last Stella...
Also interested - So Fishmad, is there another gear seated in behind the Pinion? (that the Oscillation Gear runs off - as opposed to directly running off the Pinion gear itself in most other Worm Gear (Aero Wrap II) Driven Shimano Reels)?
If so - what would be the reasoning for doing that with the Worm Gear? Do you get better line-lay by doing it this way?

#12 fishmad1

fishmad1

Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:20 AM

The pinion appears to be coated..main gear looks the same, according to the litrature 38% stronger than the previous gear?

Yes there is another shaft and gear behind the pinion. The normal idler gear is on a shaft with a small gear that turns the gear you can see connected to the wormshaft..this effectively slows the rate of stroke creating closer wraps on the spool. The old FA had a similar thing as do many of the Aero surf reels etc...




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